Comments for Par for China http://parforchina.com The development of golf in China | By Dan Washburn Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:50:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on “The China Syndrome”: My latest piece for Golf World by russ http://parforchina.com/940/comment-page-1#comment-2770 russ Tue, 21 Sep 2010 06:50:19 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=940#comment-2770 read read

]]> Comment on Where’s the other Pebble Beach golf club? China, of course by Golfer Man http://parforchina.com/745/comment-page-1#comment-2261 Golfer Man Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:01:53 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=745#comment-2261 It really doesn't take that much effort to name a golf course something else. You spend millions of dollars building a golf course and you can't take 2 minutes to name it something unique. It really doesn’t take that much effort to name a golf course something else. You spend millions of dollars building a golf course and you can’t take 2 minutes to name it something unique.

]]> Comment on Cindy Reid: China “not the panacea that people think” by Dan Washburn http://parforchina.com/894/comment-page-1#comment-2240 Dan Washburn Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:31:11 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=894#comment-2240 Great to hear from you, Patrick. This is probably not something that can be summarized in a blog comment, but your remarks made me wonder: How do you think golf will grow in China? Great to hear from you, Patrick. This is probably not something that can be summarized in a blog comment, but your remarks made me wonder: How do you think golf will grow in China?

]]> Comment on Cindy Reid: China “not the panacea that people think” by Patrick Quernemoen http://parforchina.com/894/comment-page-1#comment-2228 Patrick Quernemoen Thu, 02 Sep 2010 04:38:22 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=894#comment-2228 I totally agree with Cindy Reid's views on China Golf. As an American living in Beijing working in the golf industry I have a lot of people contact me regarding the China Golf Boom. China golf is definitely growing but nothing like we saw in the US in 1990's. Will it boom? Yes, it could. Golf here is different from that in the West. One has to first understand China and the Chinese culture to understand the way golf will develop here. This is very important and many Americans overlook this. When I came to China I was like many others thinking that golf would absolutely explode here. Living here for a few years has helped me understand the way golf will grow well in Asia. It is definitely an interesting time to be in China and to do our best to help the game grow Internationally. I totally agree with Cindy Reid’s views on China Golf. As an American living in Beijing working in the golf industry I have a lot of people contact me regarding the China Golf Boom. China golf is definitely growing but nothing like we saw in the US in 1990′s. Will it boom? Yes, it could. Golf here is different from that in the West. One has to first understand China and the Chinese culture to understand the way golf will develop here. This is very important and many Americans overlook this. When I came to China I was like many others thinking that golf would absolutely explode here. Living here for a few years has helped me understand the way golf will grow well in Asia. It is definitely an interesting time to be in China and to do our best to help the game grow Internationally.

]]> Comment on Where’s the other Pebble Beach golf club? China, of course by Robin Moyer http://parforchina.com/745/comment-page-1#comment-2110 Robin Moyer Mon, 23 Aug 2010 02:36:23 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=745#comment-2110 Dear Dan, A few points: 1. We call it Golden Piddle Beach, because it such a missed opportunity for great golf course architecture. Whether it was the fault of the construction, or the architect: US based Park Planner Peter Thompson bears no relationship to Golfing Great and master architect Peter Thomson and that should always be pointed out. 2. Golden Piddle Beach is never even mentioned at the Golf Digest (China) annual ratings meeting. Never.Some of the holes seem to be designed to obscure the cliffs and ocean views. When I visited the course was in horrible condition, the staff unfriendly, and management was held hostage to the local Korean mafia (all cash taken away each day,never to see its way back into maintenance budget) 3. Information about golf in China for Tom Friedman's story in about golf in China was taken from a long piece by a US golf teacher (rollerbladed around China, Peter something, if I recollect. FYI, I've known Tom since 1982 when we played golf in Beirut. Most recently we played the East Course at Kau Sai Chau in Hong Kong. 4. Maybe North Shore in Liaoning has matured. A links course designed by Walter Woods, for 28 years superintendent at St. Andrews Old Course, and a Japanese developer on a superior cliffside site with views from every hole, a mini version of Old Head, County Cork, which I just visited in June. Regards, Robin Moyer Dear Dan,
A few points:
1. We call it Golden Piddle Beach, because it such a missed opportunity for great golf course architecture. Whether it was the fault of the construction, or the architect: US based Park Planner Peter Thompson bears no relationship to Golfing Great and master architect Peter Thomson and that should always be pointed out.
2. Golden Piddle Beach is never even mentioned at the Golf Digest (China) annual ratings meeting. Never.Some of the holes seem to be designed to obscure the cliffs and ocean views. When I visited the course was in horrible condition, the staff unfriendly, and management was held hostage to the local Korean mafia (all cash taken away each day,never to see its way back into maintenance budget)
3. Information about golf in China for Tom Friedman’s story in about golf in China was taken from a long piece by a US golf teacher (rollerbladed around China, Peter something, if I recollect. FYI, I’ve known Tom since 1982 when we played golf in Beirut. Most recently we played the East Course at Kau Sai Chau in Hong Kong.
4. Maybe North Shore in Liaoning has matured. A links course designed by Walter Woods, for 28 years superintendent at St. Andrews Old Course, and a Japanese developer on a superior cliffside site with views from every hole, a mini version of Old Head, County Cork, which I just visited in June.

Regards,
Robin Moyer

]]> Comment on Cost of Mission Hills Hainan? US$4.4 billion (so far) by Ryan Pyle http://parforchina.com/704/comment-page-1#comment-1677 Ryan Pyle Fri, 28 May 2010 01:09:46 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=704#comment-1677 Sounds like we need to re-visit. Sounds like we need to re-visit.

]]> Comment on Cost of Mission Hills Hainan? US$4.4 billion (so far) by Kitt http://parforchina.com/704/comment-page-1#comment-1674 Kitt Thu, 27 May 2010 16:12:12 +0000 http://parforchina.com/?p=704#comment-1674 So how much are the green fees? And who is playing at the courses? Foreigners, Chinese Nationals? So how much are the green fees? And who is playing at the courses? Foreigners, Chinese Nationals?

]]> Comment on FT Weekend Magazine: “Golf’s secret boom in Hainan, China” by Bernie Khaw http://parforchina.com/544/comment-page-1#comment-1570 Bernie Khaw Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:59:26 +0000 http://www.parforchina.com/blog/?p=544#comment-1570 Enjoyed reading it, Dan. May you have continued success. Enjoyed reading it, Dan. May you have continued success.

]]> Comment on FT Weekend Magazine: “Golf’s secret boom in Hainan, China” by Matthew Myers http://parforchina.com/544/comment-page-1#comment-1448 Matthew Myers Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:44:59 +0000 http://www.parforchina.com/blog/?p=544#comment-1448 Hey Dan, lovin' the story your piecing together,keep up the good work! Hey Dan, lovin’ the story your piecing together,keep up the good work!

]]> Comment on FT Weekend Magazine: “Golf’s secret boom in Hainan, China” by Joe Kelly http://parforchina.com/544/comment-page-1#comment-1415 Joe Kelly Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:12:52 +0000 http://www.parforchina.com/blog/?p=544#comment-1415 Dan: Great article. Very well done. Keep doing what you do. You are very good at it and it's clear you love it. Joe Dan:

Great article. Very well done. Keep doing what you do. You are very good at it and it’s clear you love it.

Joe

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